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- IETF STEERING GROUP (IESG)
-
- REPORT FROM THE IETF MEETING
-
- May 13th, 1993
-
- Reported by: Greg Vaudreuil, IESG Secretary
-
- This report contains IESG meeting notes, positions and action items.
-
- These minutes were compiled by the IETF Secretariat which is supported
- by the National Science Foundation under Grant No. NCR 8820945.
-
- For more information please contact the IESG Secretary.
- iesg-secretary@cnri.reston.va.us.
-
-
-
- ATTENDEES
- ---------
-
- Bradner, Scott / Harvard
- Crocker, Dave / SGI
- Crocker, Steve / TIS
- Gross, Philip / ANS
- Hinden, Robert / SUN
- Huizer, Erik / SURFnet
- Kahle, Brewster / WAIS
- Mankin, Allison / Locus
- Reynolds, Joyce / ISI
- Piscitello, Dave/ Bellcore
- Rose, Marshall / DBC
- Vaudreuil, Greg / CNRI
-
- IAB Liaison
- Christian Huitema / INRIA
- Yakov Rekhter / IBM
-
- Regrets
- Coya, Steve / CNRI
- Chapin, Lyman / BBN
- Knowles, Stev / FTP Software
- Stockman, Bernhard / SUNET/NORDUnet
-
-
-
- AGENDA
- ------
-
- 1. Administrivia
-
- o Roll Call
- o Bash the Agenda
- o Approval of minutes
- - April 15th
- - April 29th
-
- 2. Protocol Actions
-
- o IDS Advanced Usages of X.500 <Informational>
-
- 3. Working Group Actions
-
- o Interactive Mail Access Protocol
- o IP Security Protocol
- o Authorization and Access Control
- o SNA DLC Services MIB
- o SNA NAU Services MIB
- o Interfaces MIB
-
-
- 4. Management Issues
-
- o Conclusion of Working Groups
- o DHC -- Status check
- o Router Requirements
-
- 5. Tasked Items - Status Check
-
- o RIP A/S
- o Revised IPLPDN Charter
- o CIDR Applicability Statement
- o Distributed Authentication Security Service
-
- 6. WAITING FOR AD ACTION prior to Last Call
-
- o Specification of TNFS Extensions
- o IP Multicast on Token Ring
- o Network News Transfer Protocol <RFC977>
- o The Finger User Information Protocol <RFC1288>
- o Telnet Linemode Option <RFC1184>
- o Transmitting IP Traffic over ARCNET Networks <RFC1201>
- o TCP/IP Header Compression to Draft
- o MIME to Draft Standard
- o Point to Point MIBs
-
-
- MINUTES
- -------
-
- 1) Administrivia
-
- o Bash the Agenda
-
- Several topics were added to the agenda: Conflict of Interest,
- Procedures for the conclusion of Working Groups, and Strategies for
- encouraging reference implementations.
-
- o Approval of the Minutes
-
- The IESG approved the minutes of the April 15th and April 29th
- teleconferences.
-
- o Next Meeting
-
- The next IESG teleconference was set for May 27th.
-
- o Report from the IAB Meeting
-
- The newly seated IAB met for the first time and choose Christian
- Huitema as the IAB chairman. Yakov Rekhter will serve with Huitema
- as the IAB liaison. Huitema noted his resignation as a co-chairman
- of the SIP working group.
-
- The IAB meeting focused on two main points, scaling and the need to
- deploy CIDR immediately, and Security. Security continues to be a
- pressing need but there is little deployment. The roadblocks,
- global names, key distribution, and export control need to be
- addressed.
-
- o Announcements
-
- Bernhard Stockman has made official his resignation. With his
- increasing duties with Ebone he was unable to participate to the
- extent he felt necessary.
-
-
- ACTION: Gross -- Notify Jeff Case, the chair of the IAB/IESG Selection
- Committee that a replacement Operations Area Director is needed.
-
- 2) Protocol Actions
-
- o Advanced Usages of X.500 document
-
- Approval of the IDS Advanced Usages of X.500 document was deferred
- to allow additional time for the Applications Area Directors to
- review the work.
-
- 3) Working Group Actions
-
- o Interactive Mail Access Protocol
-
- The IESG is waiting for a revised version of the IMAP charter
- addressing the issues raised in the last teleconference.
-
- o IP Security o Authorization and Access Control
-
- These two working group charters continue to wait revision to
- clarify their relationship with other security related groups and
- the evolving security architecture.
-
- o SNA DLC MIB
-
- The IESG approved the charter for the new SNA DLC MIB Working
- Group.
-
- ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Announce the formation of the SNA DLC MIB Working
- Group to the IETF.
-
- o SNA NAU MIB
-
- The IESG approved the charter for the new SNA NAU MIB Working
- Group.
-
- ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Announce the formation of the SNA DLC MIB Working
- Group to the IETF.
-
- o Interfaces MIB
-
- The IESG approved the charter for the new Interfaces MIB Working
- Group.
-
- ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Announce the formation of the Interfaces MIB
- Working Group to the IETF.
-
- 4) Management Issues
-
- o Conclusion of Working Groups.
-
- The IESG discussed at some length the issue of whether Working
- Groups should (a) "conclude" after submitting their work for
- Proposed Standard (and then possibly be re-instantiated" to move
- their work forward to Draft Standard and then again to full Internet
- Standard), or (b) continue to be "alive", but perhaps in a quiet or
- dormant mode until activity resumes prior to consideration for Draft
- or full Standard. It was suggested that neither model had a major
- advantage over the other for all cases. The suggestion was that
- perhaps this was yet another area where we should leave some
- flexibility in the process. In either case, it was agreed that the
- email list would remain active to handle whatever low level of
- activity that might exist.
-
- The IESG has a preference for "concluding" Working Groups after each
- stage in the standards process. However, the actual decision rests
- with the Area Director, who, on a case-by-case basis may elect to
- revise the charter and keep a Working Group active. This decision
- could depend on individual circumstances, like whether there is
- continuing activity on related work, or to serve a liason function.
-
- POSITION: After submitting work into the Internet standards track,
- and at the discretion of the Area Director, Working Groups may
- either:
-
- (a) "conclude" after submitting their work for standardization (and
- then possibly be "re-instantiated" to move their work forward to
- the next level), or
-
- (b) continue to be "alive", but perhaps in a quiet or dormant mode
- until activity resumes at Draft Standard and Standard.
-
- In either case, it was agreed that the email list would remain active
- to handle whatever low level of activity that might exist.
-
- o Reference Implementations.
-
- The IESG discussed the value of reference implementations. It was
- agreed that it is generally necessary for sponsors to underwrite
- such work, but that seeking funding for such projects was beyond
- the scope of the IESG.
-
-
- o Conflict of Interest/Ombudsman
-
- The question of conflict of interest was raised again on the IETF
- mailing list. The IESG understands this is an important issue. The
- POISED Working Group established a series of safeguards and an
- appeals process to insure that any person who feels wronged can get
- a fair hearing. The appeals process is outlined in an appendix to
- these minutes.
-
- o "New World Order" Documentation.
-
- The shift in the roles of the IAB and IESG that occurred as a result
- of the POISED work is to be documented. (Ref minutes of DC IESG)
- These documents are: a revision to 1310, the working group chairs
- guidelines, and the charter of the IETF. The first two have been
- posted as Internet Drafts. The charter of the IETF is still
- unwritten.
-
- ACTION: Gross, Chapin -- Write the IETF charter document.
-
- o Dynamic Host Configuration
-
- The Dynamic Host Configuration documents are still "almost" done.
- There is increasing pressure to get this protocol deployed to aid in
- the deployment of CIDR, and especially to facilitate future network
- renumbering. There continues to be discussion on editorial issues
- on the mailing list but the protocol is said to be stable.
-
- ACTION: Piscitello -- Contact Ralph Droms and communicate the IESGs
- strong desire for closure within two weeks.
-
- o Router Requirements
-
- The Router Requirements document continue to languish. The IESG
- expressed serious concern about the lack of concrete action. It was
- suggested that further resources may be needed to bring this effort
- to closure. Further discussion was deferred until a future
- teleconference where Stev Knowles is present.
-
- 5) Tasked Items
-
- o RIP AS
-
- No Action to report
-
- o CIDR AS
-
- A revised version expected this weekend.
-
- o IPLPDN Charter
-
- There has been little response from the Working Group chairman. The
- Area Directors are considering concluding this working group after
- they complete the IP over ISDN encapsulation. Future work on
- solving the wide area routing work should be done in a new working
- group. Currently the Large Public Data Network routing work is
- being addressed in an ad-hoc manner in the IP over ATM working
- group. The efforts continue to search for the quick "hack" so far
- without success. Serious leadership help is needed.
-
- ACTION: Vaudreuil - Add a discussion on Large Public Data Network
- Routing to a future teleconference.
-
- o Distributed Authentication Security Service
-
- The IESG is waiting for a new version of the document with a
- statement of the intellectual property rights from DEC.
-
-
-
- APPENDIX -- IETF Appeals Process --------
-
- - Area level -- this includes the Working Group review and Area
- Director review. No appeal should come to the IESG before the Area
- Director has reviewed the point of contention.
-
- - IESG level -- If the offended party is not happy at the Area level,
- then they can bring their concern to the IESG chair and the Area
- Director for Standards Management. The IESG chair has to be in this
- loop on this. The IESG chair and the Standards Area Director will
- bring the issue before the IESG for discussion and take the resolution
- back to the parties.
-
- - IAB level -- If the offended party is still not happy with the
- outcome at the IESG level, then they can take their concern to the
- IAB. The exact process at this level is a bit new and unclear. They
- should contact the IAB chair for details on the process for a
- hearing.
-
- APPENDIX -- Action Items Taken
-
- ACTION: Gross -- Notify Jeff Case, the chair of the IAB/IESG Selection
- Committee that a replacement Operations Area Director is needed.
-
- ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Announce the formation of the SNA DLC MIB Working
- Group to the IETF.
-
- ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Announce the formation of the SNA DLC MIB Working
- Group to the IETF.
-
- ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Announce the formation of the Interfaces MIB
- Working Group to the IETF.
-
- ACTION: Gross, Chapin -- Write the IETF charter document.
-
- ACTION: Piscitello -- Contact Ralph Droms and communicate the IESGs
- strong desire for closure within two weeks.
-
- ACTION: Vaudreuil - Add a discussion on Large Public Data Network
- Routing to a future teleconference.
-